4 in-yer-face sound U need 2 play MINIMUM, with extreme balance:

CY and HH should drop in level and kick-snr-toms should b played consistent and LOUD.

HH and CYs should b TAMED - i.e. short.

This is cuz the whole thing needs 2 b compressed 2 smithereens.

Since u brought up the IL subject: most of us can't keep it 2 a minimum. Count the crash hits in an IL song and compare the number it 2 the songs U like. This is just a symptom, this attitude is in every step of the way.

Yes, I know , every1 and his cousin r gr8 but generally speaking: in IL, we play long, sloppy, badly tuned, out of time, with 2 many arrangement parts, and 2 many effects.

I'm sorry if it sounds harsh, but I can feel U're really frustrated and I didn't want U 2 go and buy the latest pre/ comp/ mic/ enhancer / fix-elizer, looking 4 the lost coin under the light.

W/o the above U'll never get there. Only after U get THESE conditions we can talk about rooms (3m +in height), kits (read the "drum tuning bible", it's on the net - than try 2 get ur drummer 2 read it and then tune like that - I wish U luck...), analog boards, tape comression, compressors and so on.

Peace,

Zooot

My meanming was OVER 3m.... NM, 3m is more thn 2.5m...

Very true. What gear?

There is no such thing, drums r tuned 4 a drummer, room and song.

Hmmm.... have we mentioned attitude?

Close, m8, the height is 4 drum resonance. Unless U're in a fabulous room - Far = reverb.

SSL 4k- use the quad comp - that's the big MF in the center section. Distressors r nice if U have the stereo link mod. Alan Smart C2 in crush mode. A pair of trakkers. Anything fast bright and aggressive.

In the songs U like the drums r blended with some room sound. (Averil lavigne's "loosing grip" snr sounds sampled, btw) put some room mics if the room's ok. The drum style U like is HF busy, which is fine 4 the drummer U'll b recording, however balance and overall kit sound r crucial.

Tell me about the room and gear, and I'll try 2 help.

Peace,

Zooot