Style of music,kit description and color, room size shape and color, pls.

(Not wall/ shell colors pls...)

Peace,

Zooot

If U want a general answer it's: "Yes, and sometimes no".

4 a serious response U need 2 provide the following:

Color = dark / bright, reverberant-open/ dry-dead.
Room size = L x W x H.
Room shape= rectangular, round, L-shaped, trapezoid, etc
Kit description = number, tuning-color and size of drums + hh and cymbals

Kit COLOR =?
Kit DESCRIPTION=?
Room COLOR=?
Room SIZE=?
Room SHAPE=?

Ayote maple drums in 45 Msq rooms can b tuned and palyed 2 sound @ all extremes.

Where r the drum located? (center/ corner/ middle of wall)

Ye all seekers of truth, get serious.

This is not a SHIUR CHIBUR, nor a SHABAK investigation.

(...and I don't refer 2 U in person, b4 feelings kick in and then we switch 2 group therapy).


Peace,

Zooot

The new 451B is NOT a re-issue of the C451 system.

The old C451 is a modular system, i.e. it can use multiple capsules.

With the old 451 U can use all the ck range of capsules - i.e. all patterns and colors, and very practical swivels.

With the new 451 U have 2 give up the option, which means U cannot use the BLUE capsule 4 ex, granting the mic the C-12 or 414 silver sound. This way U could have BOTH sounds in 1...

The new capsule resembles the ck-1 cardioid. The sound is not the same, but "close".

When Harman take over a company they throw the sentiments away and head str8 4 the cash...

On the other hand, the 414-uls is not even close 2 the original (414EB). AKG (and now Harman) have the reputation of using the same serial numbers 4 "re-issues" that sound nothing like the original. Try the C-12VR 4 size... :-)



As 4 the 451/414 issue, the 2 mics r worlds apart. Asking which 1 is "better" is comparing humus and tchina.

The 451 is a harsh mic. It's 1 of the brightest colors in the paint box. That's y the answer is useless without the relevant details.
Use it in the WRONG situation and U'll have 2 run 4 cover, and send ur ears 2 Dr. Ticho 4 adjustments.

Yet in the RIGHT application, it can make the kit sound simply BRILLIANT.

Since mics r used 4 more than 1 application, their color should b considered with other sources U intend 2 use - acc/el gtrs and vocals etc.

I like the 414 4 el gtrs and some vocals, while the 451 is useless 4 these sources 4 my blood.

On the orher hand the 451 shines on acc gtrs, and everything that needs brightening up.

It's a small capsule mic, so the color and low end r "tight".

Both mics may b used 4 OHs.

1 popular trick 4 ex. is 2 tape the 451 2gether with an sm57, align the phase between the 2 capsules (very important!) and use it on the snr top. When blended right U get the mid crack of the 57 with the bright attack of the 451 - yet another reason 2 get the 451.

The 414 is multi-pattern, large diaphragm. That means the capsule "speed" and off-axis coloration is totally different...
That means the acoustics, drum color, bleed and mic placement will play a major role.

How on earth can some1 recommend a mic preference w/o the SLIGHTEST idea of what the source sounds like?

Only when the thick veil of secrecy regarding the Ayote kit and its whereabouts will b removed, a more reasonable answer may b made available.

I guess we'll just have 2 w8 4 the BBC's investigative report...

Peace,

Zooot